26. August, 2014Blog Post 65 comments

Benedict departs

From Catholic News Agency:

Vatican City, Aug 26, 2014 / 12:31 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Participants in the annual Ratzinger “schulerkreis” study group were overjoyed at seeing the retired pontiff in good health, noting that they were deeply moved by his homily on the triumph of God’s love …
 
“What struck us all is that despite being older each year,” Benedict XVI “looks much better, fresher. He’s very clear in his mind,” he noted, observing how the former pontiff stood for nearly an hour and a half during the mass even though a chair was provided for him.
 
“He was in good form. There was a good spirit about him.”
 
Echoing Fr. Twomey’s sentiments is Secretary of the Pontifical Council for Culture Mons. Barthélemy Adoukonou, who also participated in the study circle.
 
“It was extraordinary. As always, it amazed us that in spite of age, and without a prepared text, the Pope (emeritus) gave a homily at a great level, with an extraordinary clarity of mind for his age.”

Recall, however, Pope Benedict’s statement of intent to abdicate made on 10 Feb 2013:

I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering. However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me.

Does anyone other than the willfully deluded and painfully ignorant still honestly believe that Benedict XVI wasn’t forced from office by a substantial threat either real or imagined?

He told the world that he was stepping aside in order to make room for a man better suited to answer important “questions of deep relevance for the life of faith,”  and who would more vigorously “govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel.”

What happened next?

The conclave elevated in surprisingly short order a man who:

  • creates more questions than answers in the minds of those seeking the truth on a near daily basis
  • is so ill-inclined to govern as one with real authority beyond enforcing his own personal preferences on the Office of Peter (that is, when he isn’t steamrolling those who love tradition; AKA Catholics) that he has trouble referring to himself as “pope”
  • and whose idea of preaching the Gospel is to encourage heathens and heretics to stay right where they are

 
All indications are that those who orchestrated what looks more and more like a hostile takeover of the papacy couldn’t even muster the patience to put on a good show at the conclave in order to hide the appearance of having preselected Jorge Bergoglio well before the doors were even locked.

No… Pope Benedict didn’t depart for reasons of physical and mental health, and there’s not a Catholic this side of brain dead who is still buying that lie.

Is there?

Comments
  1. Roman Watcher August 26, 2014 4:23 pm

    Lou,

    I’ve read blogs wherein individuals claiming to be Argentines say that Bergoglio had a network of spies working at Rome since c. 2000 and that their main duty was to gather information that could be used to coerce or blackmail Cardinals into voting for him in the conclave.

    Also, a report which said that once made AB of B.A. he moved 70 million euros from B.A. to the Vatican Bank. Since the Vatican Bank provides for the livelihood of most of the residential Cadinals, I suspect this was a bribe to buy the papacy.

    I am also concerned about the reports that in the 30 days after the abdication, various high level clerics close to Obama offered Cardinals in the third world the promise of US Aide funding in return for their votes for Bergoglio.

    All this needs to be investigated by the general public.

  2. Ever mindful August 26, 2014 4:41 pm

    Dear Roman Watcher

    Is this perhaps what is meant as a conspiracy theory?

  3. Roman Watcher August 26, 2014 4:44 pm

    this is not a theory, but a collection of reports and comments read on the net. Make of it what you will.

  4. Ganganelli August 26, 2014 4:58 pm

    Is this a prelude to Louie adopting sedevacantism?

    • A Catholic Thinker August 26, 2014 6:47 pm

      If you understood Catholicism or Louie you would understand what a nonsensical question that is.

      • Ganganelli August 26, 2014 7:32 pm

        Uh huh…I know so much about Catholicism that some people on this board think I’m a paid agent which, when you think about it, is really the highest form of flattery.

        • Indignus famulus August 26, 2014 9:30 pm

          Hank Ketchum said, “Flattery is like chewing gum. Enjoy it,
          but don’t swallow it.” :-)

        • QuoVadisPetre August 27, 2014 10:56 pm

          And yet you say Catholic dogmas can be changed, which is the essence of Modernism. So much for knowing fundamentals!

    • Berto Slomovicci August 27, 2014 10:30 am

      I think if Ratzinger’s resignation was indeed forced, Canon Law would dictate he’d still be Pontiff, much like if Cardinal Siri had been really elected during the 1958 Conclave, and then forced to abdicate via threats, he would have been the legitimate Pope till his natural death in 1989.

      So, in a Vatican II member’s perspective, still no Sede Vacante.

      Please correct me if I’m wrong.

  5. Joe of St Therese August 26, 2014 5:35 pm

    Well, I’m pretty sure Pope Benedict XVI was forced out….granted at his last public Mass he looked like he was going to fall apart on the altar…There has been something off about this papacy from the beginning….As I’ve said until it can be explicitly proven that he was forced out…we’re stuck with Frank Humblestone.

  6. John Madison August 26, 2014 5:56 pm

    If Benedict XVI was forced from office, then, logically and legally, Bergoglio is not the pope. So, step 2?

  7. Christopher August 26, 2014 6:07 pm

    The problem with your proposition Louie is that it would argue that Pope Benedict lied, and it would also neglect the possibility of recovery.

    • Christopher August 26, 2014 6:14 pm

      And also neglects the observations of his frailty in public appearances.

      • In Hoc Signo Vinces August 27, 2014 12:25 pm

        Pope Leo XIII reigned till the age of 93!! That Benedict was forced to abdicate due to ill health after appearing in robust health (considering his age) in his recent appearance is a hard sell.
        -
        See my comment # 23

  8. Joe of St Therese August 26, 2014 6:23 pm

    If Bergolio isn’t the Pope, then Benedict XVI would still be pope, though in hiding, and Bergolio’s acts would be null and void as he wasn’t the Pope…so no more imprisonment for the FFI

  9. Francesco dAssisi August 26, 2014 6:29 pm

    Something does smell fishy and has since the abdication. Although I love Benedict, I will not be happy until they both go to the Lord and we have a new Pope.

  10. A Catholic Thinker August 26, 2014 6:50 pm

    Even if Benedict was influenced he wasn’t forcibly coerced. His own testimony on that point must be accepted for the purposes of determining validity; the Church does not judge internals.
    —–
    That doesn’t mean that this isn’t all fishy, and smelly (as all things fishy are), or that Papa Francis is not a completely terrible pontiff.

  11. Indignus famulus August 26, 2014 7:49 pm

    From the sound of things, Pope Francis isn’t thinking his Papacy is going to be around much longer, either.
    ===
    “Mortality was on the mind of Pope Francis… on a flight back to the Vatican from South Korea.. [He] noted that his global popularity offered no protection from the Grim Reaper. “I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud,” the Pope told reporters. “Because I know it will only last a short time. Two or three years, and then I’ll be off to my Father’s house.”

    The 77-year-old …. In addition to mentioning his possible death, the pontiff brought up the idea of retirement while heading home. If he stepped down, that would make him only the second Pope to do so since 1415. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI left the Vatican last year at the age of 85. “Some theologians may say this is not right,” Francis said of his contemplating retirement. “But I think this way.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/argentina-car-crash-kills-3-pope-francis-relatives-article-1.1908519

  12. Lynda August 26, 2014 8:45 pm

    The abdication of Pope Benedict has certainly caused grave scandal. An explanation has never been given. Surely, a pope ought only leave his holy ministry for the most exceptional of reasons, and only in circumstances where it is unambiguously in the best interests of the Church and Her sacred Mission.

    As for Pope Francis, he is contually causing egregious scandal and harm to souls by saying and doing things that comtradict the truth in our God-given Faith and moral law. St John Vianney, intercede for the Papacy.

  13. salvemur August 27, 2014 12:56 am

    He does look very chipper indeed. Antonio Socci certainly smelled something fishy in his resignation and it wasn’t the ring. Like much of what the newchurch ‘popes’ have been doing for half a century this resignation was unprecedented – especially in its execution. Who knows. While conspiracy theories are on the table – try this for size – at ’58 conclave a legitimate pope was elected and crowned and he accepted his office thereby receiving the Grace of ‘infallibility’ in matters of faith and morals, which came to rest upon him. He was then threatened into ‘exile’ so that the enemies of the Church could have a puppet free of any Holy Ghost interference. Now say the legitimate Pope in hiding lived for another three decades – that would mean that Benedicts election would have been the only legitimate election since ’58 presuming the whole proposed ’58 scenario didn’t repeat again.
    -
    it’s worth noting that a former intelligence agent included evidence in his book that at the ’58 conclave someone was elected Pope and took the name Gregory XVII. But it was Roncalli that, a couple days later walked out on the balcony.

  14. Ever mindful August 27, 2014 1:51 am

    Dear Salvemur
    Thank you for the very thought provoking links reflecting on conspiracy theories, and the point well made that what counts is the search for truth, en route ultimately to Truth Himself

    My only concern is that it is impossible to personally validate all the varying theories, and counter theories…leaving me wondering whether the time spent jumping from blog to blog might not be more fruitfully spent meditating on Sacred Scripture

    And yet I shall try to stay balanced by help of the great Catholic “Both…and”, to stay both centred on Our Blessed Lord, and yet informed on all that battles against His Body, the Church

    • salvemur August 27, 2014 10:13 pm

      I think the link on the Popes’ real concern over conspiracies to destroy the Church is at least a little important, and given that the post is focused on Benedict the Abdicator I also though Socci’s investigations pertinant.
      -
      Regarding Scripute, in fact, with a little help from Haydock and the Saints informs in no small part my certainty about what is going on in the Church at the moment. I always find it helpful to pray to’ Our Lady, Mother of the Word made flesh, Mother of the Word incarnate’ before I open the written ‘Word of God’ laid out for us and accessible to pretty much everyone in this literate and ‘digital’ age – Our Lady is very helpful in drawing one to lessons that speak to one’s own and the broader situation at hand – and again – to make sure I’m not landing on false conclusions, I consult the Church’s understanding before running off in excitement with the ‘news’. It’s mad how way off protestant bible exegesis is. Mad that the ‘bible’ they have is amputated for a start. Who could imagine a bible missing the book of Wisdom? What a great loss.

      • salvemur August 27, 2014 11:34 pm

        p.s. I mention the protestant ‘bible’ because I was raised in the paradigm of ‘sola scritpura’ where the Bible (what version they have) takes on a very very distorted ‘importance’, at war with tradition, at war with the Apostolic Body, more or less at war witht the Word made flesh.
        -
        p.s.s. didn’t you think the ‘conspiracy theory’ at least a little bit interesting even if only on the fun side?

        • de Maria numquam satis August 28, 2014 9:33 am

          now, just wait one minute,
          my dear salvemur,

          don’t you realize we are not allowed to have any fun in these catastrophic times?
          After all, we’re nothing more than museum mummies, sourpussed elitists, plagued by a ludicrous desire for certainty in all things. Long-faced, sad Chrisitans that we are, we must press on only with our elitist and authoritarian tendencies. God love you.

          http://thatthebonesyouhavecrushedmaythrill.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-pope-francis-little-book-of-insults.html
          So watch that “fun” idea, my dear friend.

          • salvemur August 29, 2014 12:16 am

            I know, de Maria. Having the ‘P’ – piety is a terrible Novus Ordo sin.
            -
            And taking the ‘p’ (no elucidation necessary), is almost as terrible. (although in terms of taking the ‘p’, there is something very interesting indeed about my mad theory.)

  15. S.Armaticus August 27, 2014 3:02 am

    Off topic, but one for the “viva la resistance” category.
    _______
    NuChurch priests sounding Catholic.
    _______
    Lind here: http://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/is-it-just-me/
    _______
    It’s not just you, Mundibor. ;)

  16. S.Armaticus August 27, 2014 3:32 am

    The Francis Effect, one year on.
    ______
    ++Brandmuller: “Enthusiasm for Pope is superficial”.
    ______
    Link via PewSitter here: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kath.net%2Fnews%2F47308&edit-text=
    ______
    Money quote:
    “That is superficial. Were this a religious movement, the churches would be full ”
    ______
    Speaking truth to power! :)

  17. S.Armaticus August 27, 2014 3:43 am

    Off topic but…. “Are you ready for some football?”…. I mean soccer. ;)
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    A soccer match for peace in the middle east, promoted by the bishop of Rome.
    ———
    Link here: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/25/pope-endorses-sept-1-interreligious-peace-match-at-olympic-stadium-in-rome/
    ______
    Vatican soft power…. takes on a whole new meaning. ;)

  18. S.Armaticus August 27, 2014 4:09 am

    For those not familiar with the Rotherham scandal, here is the back ground:
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    Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11057647/Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-1400-children-exploited-by-Asian-gangs-while-authorities-turned-a-blind-eye.html
    _______
    Jesuitical solutions, anyone?

    • Matthew August 27, 2014 5:31 am

      These are Pakistani Muslim men keeping no less than 1400 white British girls – some as young as 11 – as sex slaves under threat of torture and death. The shocking part, however, is that British authorities, including the city council and child protective services, intentionally ignored the problem for over two decades so as to avoid the political fallout of the obviously failing ‘multi-cultural’ model of social engineering.

      • S.Armaticus August 27, 2014 6:05 am

        Matthew,
        Thanks for “filling in the blanks”.
        _____
        For future reference:
        Obviously Pakistani men are higher in the political correctness hierarchy of groups who should be more protected than English adolescent girls.
        ______
        S.A.

      • Matthew August 27, 2014 6:56 am

        S.Armaticus,
        -
        Here is a surprisingly frank report from the BBC:
        -
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-SrZ8-9kw
        -
        The part that’s being downplayed here is that this is by no means limited to “just one town”. These girls are being trafficked all over the country.
        -
        This isn’t a British problem. It’s a Pakistani Muslim problem they imported from their home country, in exactly the same way that the Church doesn’t have a pedophilia problem, it has a problem with homosexuals who brought their pedophilia into the Church. In both cases, there was an effort to cover things up out of fear of being labelled “Islamophobe” or “Homophobe”, respectively, by the media. These cowards are sacrificing children under their care to appease the perverted conscience of a world gone mad in its rejection of God’s law.

  19. Indignus famulus August 27, 2014 8:55 am

    Powerful words for today -from John Henry Newman.. July 13, 1852 in St. Mary’s. (Excerpts from his sermon to the Fathers of the first Provincial Synod of Westminster) [Perhaps our version will be Vatican III?]

    —”The Catholic Church [in England before the reformation] had near a thousand years upon it; enthroned on some twenty sees;..based in the will of a faithful people; energized through ten thousand instruments of power.. ennobled by a host of Saints and Martyrs…intercessors.”.
    ======
    —”But it was the high decree of heaven, that the majesty of that presence should be blotted out..that Church in its day became a corpse ..an awful change! all seemed to be lost; there was a struggle.. its priests were cast out or martyred.. its temples profaned or destroyed; its revenues seized or squandered. The presence of Catholicism was at length simply removed, its grace disowned,—its power despised,—its name, almost unknown… It took a long time.. but at last it was done.”
    — “Oh, that miserable day! What a martyrdom to live in it and see the fair form of Truth, moral and material, hacked piecemeal, and every limb and organ carried off, and burned in the fire, or cast into the deep! .. Truth was disposed of, and shovelled away. Roman Catholics”—not a sect..but a mere handful of individuals, who might be counted, who merely happened to retain a creed which, in its day indeed, was the profession of a Church. Catholics in England,..cut off..so utterly contemptible, that contempt gave birth to pity.”
    ======
    —”No one could have prophesied its fall, but still less would any one have ventured to prophesy its rise again…”
    — “Who could have dared to hope that, out of so sacrilegious a nation as this is, a people would have been formed again unto their Saviour? I listen, and I hear the sound of voices, grave and musical, renewing the old chant, with which Augustine greeted Ethelbert in the free air upon the Kentish strand. ..the Lord’s arm has not waxen short, nor His mercy failed, [Saints] are looking down from their thrones on high upon the throng. And so that high company moves on into the holy place; and there, with august rite and awful sacrifice, inaugurates the great act –the first synod of a new Hierarchy; it is the resurrection of the Church.”
    —”What! those few scattered worshippers, the Roman Catholics, to form a Church! Shall the past be rolled back? Shall the grave open? …Shall the shepherds, watching their poor flocks by night, be visited by a multitude of the heavenly army, and hear how their Lord has been new-born.. Yes, for grace can, where nature cannot. The world grows old, but the Church is ever young. She can, in any time, at her Lord’s will, “inherit the Gentiles, and inhabit the desolate cities.”
    ******[ ..envision the Consecration of Russia, "Late" as Our Lady said it will be]
    ======
    — “Arise, Jerusalem, for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. Behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and a mist the people; but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see; all these are gathered together, they come to thee; thy sons shall come from afar, and thy daughters shall rise up at thy side.”
    — “Arise, make haste, my love, my dove, my beautiful one, and come. It is the time for thy Visitation. Arise, Mary, and go forth in thy strength into that north country, which once was thine own, and take possession of a land which knows thee not. Arise, Mother of God, and with thy thrilling voice, speak to those who labour with child, and are in pain, till the babe of grace leaps within them! Shine on us, dear Lady, with thy bright countenance, like the sun in his strength, O stella matutina, O harbinger of peace, till our year is one perpetual May. From thy sweet eyes, from thy pure smile, from thy majestic brow, let ten thousand influences rain down, not to confound or overwhelm, but to persuade, to win over thine enemies.
    — O Mary, my hope, O Mother undefiled, fulfil to us the promise of this Spring. A second temple rises on the ruins of the old. …We clung to the vision of past greatness, and would not believe it could come to nought; but the Church.. has died, and the Church lives again. … Saints shall rise..if God so will, and Doctors once again shall give the law to Israel, and Preachers call to penance and to justice, as at the beginning. Yes if it be God’s blessed will, not Saints alone, not Doctors only, not Preachers only, shall be ours—but Martyrs, too, shall reconsecrate the soil to God….”
    ======
    “Can we religiously suppose that the blood of our martyrs..shall never receive its recompense? …with Mary’s woe, at the crucifixion of Thy body mystical, was not every tear that flowed, and every drop of blood that was shed, the seeds of a future harvest, when they who sowed in sorrow were to reap in joy? ” … —”…according to our need, so will be our strength… the more the enemy rages against us, so much the more will the Saints in Heaven plead for us; the more fearful are our trials from the world, the more present to us will be our Mother Mary, and our good Patrons and Angel Guardians; the more malicious are the devices of men against us, the louder cry of supplication will ascend from the bosom of the whole Church to God for us. We shall not be left orphans; we shall have within us the strength of the Paraclete, promised to the Church and to every member of it.
    ======

  20. Indignus famulus August 27, 2014 9:36 am

    St. Monica, distraught over her son Augustine’s rejection of the Faith, (a legend says) once visited an unnamed Bishop who told her: “the child of those tears shall never perish.”
    —As she followed her wayward son to Rome, begging God all the while for his conversion, may she intercede for us today, especially on behalf of all the faithful now in agony, and may our tears and prayers be united to hers for all the souls in need of conversion.

  21. Berto Slomovicci August 27, 2014 10:34 am

    I believe God is allowing more and more hints and warnings to emerge for the benefit of the faithful even amidst this massive rotten situation.
    It is of comfort even in the face of our dark times, for many of us at least.

  22. my2cents August 27, 2014 11:57 am

    I believe Benedict resigned, either willingly or forced, in order to make way for Bergoglio who is more radically involved in THE PLAN. What PLAN? Look at the direction the post-conciliar church is headed—THAT PLAN!!!!

  23. In Hoc Signo Vinces August 27, 2014 12:17 pm

    My take is that Benny abdicated because he was unwilling (rather than unable, as he claimed) to carry the cross that Our Blessed Lord had placed on his shoulders. He saw clearly the corruption and sexual immorality engulfing the Vatican, and he saw that things needed to be fixed. However, instead of doing the dirty and hard work himself, he thought it easier to pass on the baton to someone else (even if that someone happened to be of much less intellectual rigor and arguably in worse health than he himself is in).
    -
    The calamity known as Francis is the result of what happens when the pope refuses to carry his cross folks (and the punishment of an angry God to apostate “Catholics”).
    -
    That Benedict has taken off his cross from his shoulders is clearly evident in his apparent robust health in his recent appearance. The level of heroic virtue that is required to faithfully perform the office of the papacy in these days would grind one physically like in a meatgrinder.
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    Truth is, only a pope who is willing to sacrifice his life for Christ and the Church will lift the Church out of the current mess (a martyr pope). Randy Engel said as much in reference to the sodomitical infiltration in the Church. I am no fan of Mike Voris, but this interview with Ms Engel is worth listening to (see @ 37:00 for comment about martyr pope).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSvJhXTsq1I
    -
    “And he said to all: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
    Luke 9:23

  24. Paul Morphy August 27, 2014 5:30 pm

    I’m Irish.

    Father Vincent Twomey was interviewed on Irish national radio this time last year following Emeritus Pope Benedicts August 2013 meeting with his former students.
    (Ratzinger has convened such meetings of his former pupils, each August, for years).
    In that 2013 radio interview, Father Twomey said that Pope Benedict looked absolutely exhausted and old and frail looking. I have no doubt that what Father Twomey said in 2013 was the truth.

  25. remnant August 27, 2014 5:34 pm

    Pope Benedict was ousted!!! He is the picture of health and his insistence on standing for 1.5 hrs proves it.
    BELOW PROVES IT AND TO ALL THE SCEPTICS EXPLAIN WHY A YEAR TO THE EXACT DAY THIS PROPHECY WAS FULFILLED!!!!!!!!
    ,AS HAVE MANY MORE..JESUS IS COMING BACK FOR US AND IT IS IMPORTANT EVERYONE IS NOT LED ASTRAY
    http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/my-poor-holy-vicar-pope-benedict-xvi-will-be-ousted-from-the-holy-see-in-rome/
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction

    • Indignus famulus August 27, 2014 6:20 pm

      Dear Remnant, (and Matthew- a the original German is on this link)
      The Slovakian Conference of Bishops has condemned the Maria Divine Mercy messages as heretical. To read the full letter and an English translation,
      http://miraculousrosary.blogspot.com/2013/05/mdm-warning-austrian-bishop-warns.html#comment-form
      The Bishop writes, among other things:
      “The author of this “messages” knows how to accommodate over and over again allusions to biblical texts in their messages and uses particularly the Book of Revelation, which is particularly well suited to obscure content and at the same time to give them a bit of the Bible’s authority. Of course, serves “the warning” and the fear-mongering!”

    • Indignus famulus August 27, 2014 6:27 pm

      The Church has declared this a false apparition.
      God Bless

    • Indignus famulus August 27, 2014 8:04 pm

      Why Maria Divine Mercy and its affiliates are false:
      Failed prophecies are the best proof:
      http://mariadivinemercytrueorfalse.blogspot.com/p/maria-divine-mercy.html
      =====
      31st May 2011: The prophecies given at Garabandal will now become a reality
      (Joey Lomangino died blind–not cured as Garabandal seer falsely prophesied.)
      mdm—. Prepare now for this event [the Warning] for you have only A FEW MONTHS LEFT to prepare your souls.”
      mdm—1st July 2011: “If I say months [for the Warning] that could be anytime within the year.”[=MUST HAPPEN THEREFORE BEFORE 2011 IS OVER]
      mdm–9th Sept 2011: “This, My daughter, has been foretold as just one of he signs that mankind will experience during 2011 THE YEAR OF THE PURIFICATION.” (This means the Warning, as the next message makes clear):
      mdm–3rd Oct 2011: “This [the Warning] IS THE PURIFICATION I have spoken about.”
      mdm–16th Feb 2012: “My time to come is close. So there will not be time enough to save all souls.” [AND ON AND ON....].

    • Indignus famulus August 27, 2014 6:26 pm

      Dear Matthew or anyone who knows German:
      ORIGINAL UNTRANSLATED ARTICLE:
      Manches in der „Warnung“ entspricht nicht der Lehre der Kirche wie z.B. die Rede von „den christlichen Kirchen“. Ein Klartext von Bischof Andreas Laun zu einer nicht unumstrittenen Privatoffenbarung Salzburg (kath.net/KircheHeute)
      Vor Tagen erhielt ich den Anruf eines Mannes mit der Frage, was von „Der Warnung“ zu halten sei. Ich antwortete „Ich kann nichts sagen, ich weiß nicht, wovon Sie sprechen!“ Auf sein Drängen hin sah ich mir dann die ersten Seiten der „Warnung“ im Internet an.. Was aber den Inhalt betrifft, lautet mein Urteil: „Warnung vor der Warnung!“ Und dies aus folgenden Gründen: Die Frau, die diese „Botschaften“ behauptet zu erhalten, ist unbekannt nicht vom Himmel beglaubigt, wie dies in Fatima z.B. durch das Sonnenwunder der Fall war und bei anderen Privatoffenbarungen durch andere Zeichen. Und: Manches in der „Warnung“ entspricht nicht der Lehre der Kirche wie z.B. die Rede von „den christlichen Kirchen“. Nach katholischer Lehre sind nur die katholische und die orthodoxe Gemeinschaft eine „Kirche“, alle anderen „Kirchen“ sind nur „christliche Gemeinschaften“. – Dass „Gott Vater“ mit den „Hierarchien des Himmels“ die Schlacht von Armageddon schlagen werde, schmeckt nach „Herr der Ringe“ und nicht nach einer Privat-Offenbarung, die die Kirche anerkennen wird! Abstrus ist die Mitteilung Jesu, dass er jetzt mehr, sogar doppelt so schwer leide als im Laufe seiner Passion – derselbe Jesus, von dem die Kirche lehrt, dass er „zur Rechten des Vaters“ sitzt? Lächerlich ist die Botschaft, die „Vorbereitungen“ für das 2. Kommen Jesu seien „in vollem Gange – als ob es sich um einen Feldzug oder eine große Reise handeln würde, die Jesus erst „vorbereiten“ müsste! Zudem gibt es eine Reihe von „No-na“ Botschaften wie etwa: Wer treu ist, kommt in den Himmel! Oder dass wir einen freien Willen haben, dass Gott uns auch in schweren Zeiten liebt, dass die Kirche niemals „untergehen“ wird und anderes dieser Art! Lauter „Botschaften“, die ein Katholik längst weiß! Die Verfasserin dieser „Botschaften“ versteht es, immer wieder Anspielungen an biblische Texte in ihren Botschaften unterzubringen und bedient sich dabei besonders der Offenbarung des Johannes, die sich besonders gut eignet, Inhalte zu vernebeln und ihnen zugleich ein wenig die Autorität der Bibel zu geben. Natürlich bedient sich „die Warnung“ auch der Angst-Mache!
      Dass wir Grund haben, besorgt zu sein bezüglich all dessen, was die Zukunft bringen mag, wissen wir aus der Offenbarung, aber weitgehend genügt es sogar, die täglichen Zeitungen zu lesen! Und so weiter! Das Wahre in diesen „Warnungen“ wissen wir ohnehin, das Andere können wir getrost ignorieren. Also: Warnung vor der Warnung!
      Sie könnte manche verwirren, sie ablenken von dem, was Gott wirklich von ihnen will, Anderen nur „die Zeit stehlen“, die ihnen dann irgendwo fehlt! Im Übrigen: Wenn Gott uns etwas aktuell Wichtiges mitteilen will, hat er Mittel und Wege es so zu tun, dass wir es auch erfahren ohne Rate- und Versteck-Spiele mit geschickt gelegten „Spuren“. Und zuletzt: Wenn ich wollte, solche „Offenbarungen“ könnte ich jeden Tag auch erfinden!

      SOURCE: Kath.net original text
      Comment: Thank the Lord for Bishop Laun of Salzburg. A good shepherd on the watch

      • remnant August 28, 2014 4:31 pm

        Indignus famulus..actually Maria Divine Mercy own bishop has not condemned her..I hope that this is wrong and that we are not living out the days of the book of Revelation..I would not expect the church to condone these messages but can you explain to me why 1 year to the exact day the message of the pope being ousted coincided I year later to his resignation,,,if Pope Bendedicts health was to blame why is he now in such great health today? Why did these messages speak of a false humility in the next pope even before we knew who he was?Why does our present Pope wish not to be called Pope! but the Bishop of Rome and refuse to wear the papal garments and shoes that have such significance?Why is the most recently blessed statue of St Michael the archangel not even present in the vatican grounds?This has been commented upon by the many tour guides that show tourists around Rome.Why do we have a pope who does not condemn gay relationships?Who am I to Judge?I would say you are the keeper of the keys of St Peter and it is your job to adhere to the teachings of the church!
        Answer me Indignus famulus WHY? instead of posting such irrelevance in response.

        • Lynda August 28, 2014 8:54 pm

          Yes, some of the factual predictions appear to have become true, and the lamenting of the evil doings inside and outside the Church is right, some of what is implied is the doctrine of the Church is the doctrine of the Church – however, very much of what is contained in the messages contradicts the doctrine of the Faith, and even the Natural Moral Law. Just because some of what is said is true, does not mean that the messages must be of divine origin. In fact, the many and fundamental errors mean it cannot be from God.

          http://www.dublindiocese.ie/content/statement-maria-divine-mercy

          • Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 9:05 am

            Dear Lynda and remnant (above)
            Remnant stated Maria’s own bishop has not condemned her:
            STATEMENT OF ARCHDIOCESE OF DUBLIN ON THE ALLEGED VISIONARY “MARIA DIVINE MERCY”:
            “Requests for clarification have been coming to the Archdiocese of Dublin concerning the authenticity of alleged visions and messages received by a person who calls herself “Maria Divine Mercy” and who may live in the Archdiocese of Dublin.” “Archbishop Diarmuid Martin wishes to state that these messages and alleged visions have no ecclesiastical approval and many of the texts are in contradiction with Catholic theology.” “These messages should not be promoted or made use of within Catholic Church associations.”

            http://blog.steveskojec.com/2014/04/16/archbishop-of-dublin-condemns-the-messages-of-maria-divine-mercy/

          • Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 9:08 am

            p.s. Of course it is known by those of us who blog regularly here, that this Archbishop’s own diocese has had to protest his modernism–including bringing in anti-Catholic speakers to headline a pro-life event, so they are not likely to want to follow his guidance on this false apparition which denounces these things. We provide it to show that we seek and report the truth.

        • Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 8:18 am

          Dear remnant—Here’s why:
          –You asked: –can you explain to me why 1 year to the exact day the message of the pope being ousted coincided I year later to his resignation.
          answer: WE could have told you that ourselves, with no divine inspiration. The information was presented by a Cardinal in a talk in China over a year before it happened, that he would be dead in a year if he didn’t resign, because of threats that were very credible. That was known by Father Paul Kramer and others. And it was also known among the modernists that he was being pressured from within the ranks as well. (See the links on this blog to Emonymous re the cloistered nun)
          –You asked: ,,,if Pope Bendedicts health was to blame why is he now in such great health today? Try living under that kind of pressure, and then removing all of it by going to a monastery and praying and playing the piano and taking walks and eating right for a year. Why wouldn’t he look and feel better? It’s common sense.
          –You asked in the remainder–all about why we have a Pope Francis who is doing all the things Louie is denouncing along with the rest of us on this blog.
          Why: false humility evidenced, renunciation of the Papacy and it’s significant symbols, absence of St Michael, no proper judgments or condemnation of some.
          —Answers: Your frustration is certainly understood by us, and shared. The answers you seek are not yours to demand from God, but only to ask as the rest of us–His flock do. Why do you think it is that God owes you personally an explanation for every evil He decides to chastise the world or the Church with?
          We have lived long enough to see this type of thing happen many times before.
          We have wondered all the things you wonder. The one answer we can all count on is this. God loves us. God is ever Faithful to every promise He has ever made. God does not answer all of your questions on demand, but He is trustworthy unto death on the Cross. Put your trust in that. Put your trust in Sacred Scripture. Put your trust in proven truth, not in every seer that comes along claiming to be giving you what you already have–the Word of God.
          Fatima was approved. Akita was approved. If you want to follow apparitions, first live as Our Lady asked us all to. Make time for daily Rosary, Mass if possible, sacrifice something daily, wear the Scapular, make the first Saturdays, and if you’re doing all of that, join us here to discuss the facts that are discernable from the Catholic point of view. You will see that you are not at all alone in wondering, but you will not be following the Devil’s lead, in what to think about it all, and what to do.
          —-God gave us all and intellect and free will, and with those, the ability to know right from wrong and to do right and avoid doing wrong. Do you need to know what’s going on with the Pope to do that? No. Is it helpful to live in reality and try to figure out how to help others cope? yes.
          We’ve lived almost 65 years with this stuff going on. Through and after Vatican II, we didn’t have the internet to inform us of the Popes’ thoughts and words and deeds–only sporadic reports. We were bewildered by them, but the bottom line is, we lived, we have the Faith, and we see the damage in others who followed bad ideas that were spread. Any fake seer can tell you tons of things you will think are real. You don’t need them.
          You wrote: Answer me Indignus famulus WHY? instead of posting such irrelevance in response.
          —Our responses were not irrelevant. They were based on sincere concern for your welfare and that of others. May God and Our Lady help you to see the truth in that.

          • Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 8:41 am

            p.s. Many people predicted that the next Pope would be the AntiChrist or his false prophet, at the time of Benedict’s resignation. Anyone who is aware of the state of the hierarchy these days, could know how likely it was to get a modernist Pope. But the Devil would know exactly how much influence he would have over anyone elected, and he would also be privy to any machinations going on behind the scenes, which we don’t have access to.
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            At least give that some honest thought. He would know enough to predict the fulfillment of St. Francis’ prophecy. Claiming to be Our Lord or Our Lady while doing that, only gives him the credibility required to mislead the faithful.

  26. Indignus famulus August 28, 2014 8:27 am

    p.s. that last comment is a quote from the site.

  27. A Catholic Thinker August 28, 2014 5:08 pm

    Indignus famulus, thank you for taking the time you did to dispel any confusion that might arise over the promotion of this (clearly) false prophet here.

    • Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 8:30 am

      Dear A Catholic Thinker,
      Our passion against false apparitions is based on experiences with loved ones who followed one or more of them to their detriment. Being cautious by nature, we held back over the years, and have seen so many of them by now, that it’s become easier and easier to spot the signs they have in common.
      ___
      The problem today, as remnant clearly states, is the frustration of not being able to trust the hierarchy, which is more than justifiable. This leads the best Catholics to fall prey to a seer using that fact to lure them into belief, not trusting the local Bishops to guide them. Also understandable. That’s why we study them to discern the clear falsehoods, and try to help.

  28. remnant August 28, 2014 6:52 pm

    A catholic Thinker lets hope its utter nonsense!!

    • Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 7:46 am

      Dear remnant, Please, listen to us.
      Satan’s favorite ploy is mixing truth with falsehood. Of course you will find things that come true in these false prophecies. He has powers of observation superior to the best of us. But you or we could do as well in convincing people to follow our lead on the “future”, just by predicting accurately what might happen. We have a 50/50 chance of being right in any given statement, and when we guess right, we pick up more “believers”.
      ___
      Before long, you have millions of people hanging on your every word. You string them along for a number of years that way, subtly telling them to ignore the Bishops who are all modernists, and follow you. You add in subtle reminders that they can’t trust anyone (but you), and when it all falls apart in the end, you’ve managed to create more division among the very people who have the true faith in their hearts, which poses the only real threat to the kingdom you’re trying to wrestle from God. (Remember the MMP?) Beautiful teachings on Mary, followed by one tiny paragraph in the middle of a thick book, which said the sun was going to touch down onto the earth by the year 2,000, and Jesus was going to step out of it and create paradise once more on earth. What happened?
      ___
      Oh, it was 2001 and suddenly it was revised into a metaphor, not to be taken literally. There are still groups meeting and praying. But there were many more disillusioned priests who listened to it’s message for decades, telling them not to rock the boat about dissenters, to stay quietly waiting for Our Lady to call them to action! We read every word of it month after month, and learned the lesson well. Do Not follow this current version of it. It has all the earmarks of what the Bishop said.
      ___
      God Bless you and al the other Faithful who want something from heaven to rely upon right now. Rely on the Rosary and prayer and sacrifices and the right use of reason and your Faith that God has not abandoned us.

  29. Indignus famulus August 29, 2014 9:18 am

    Our Lord Himself reminded us that “The Devil is a liar from the beginning”.
    All you need to identify a false prophet is one, proven lie. If you follow him after having that evidence placed right before your eyes, because “so many other things he says seem true”, then you only have yourself to blame for being duped. But you are also leading others to follow you, when you promote such a thing as this. It will not harm anyone to reject these prophecies,, because there is no information in them to help saves souls that has not already been revealed by God at Fatima. It does harm souls to follow false apparitions.

  30. In Hoc Signo Vinces August 29, 2014 12:13 pm

    Dear Remnant,
    -
    This is another example of the insanity that can result from people listening to false “seers”.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmarian_Catholic_Church
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    Our Lord warned us to beware of false prophets. Likewise, we must beware of false seers.

  31. JEFFKLUMP September 5, 2014 11:12 pm

    O.K. people, let’s get down to basics, here. First of all, if you have done your homework regarding Church history, there have been at least 30 anti-popes over the past 2,000 years. Men claiming to be the true sovereign pontiff, when, they indeed, were not. Bergoglio is just the last one.

    Now, there are several prophecies taking place here. Fatima, La Salette, St. Francis of Assisi, and Ven Anne Catherine Emmerich. Do your research on all of these. I have read the prophecies of Maria Divine Mercy, since 2011. They appeared on the internet in 2010. Since I have been reading them, many prophecies have taken place, especially the one regarding Pope Benedict XVI. Just because the diocese of Dublin has made a statement, does not mean these prophecies are not true, and that, the 3 persons of the Blessed Trinity are not speaking to this woman, including the Mother of God. Now, even if MDM were a fraud, and I believe that is highly unlikely at this point, the other prophecies have, indeed, been approved by The Church. Let’s also not forget, two other ones, Pope Saint Pius X, had a vision, of a future Pope leaving Rome. Pope Saint Pius X said that he shared the same name, with this future pope. This has to be Benedict, because, they do indeed, share the same name. Finally, Ven Arch Bishop Fulton Sheen, in a speech he gave in 1950, said, the false prophet would be recruited by Satan, from the ranks of the bishops!

    O.K., moving along, a huge story broke this week, with dire consequences. Cardinal Canazares Llovera, aka, “little Ratzinger”, was removed by francis, from a very important post. Pope Benedict put Llovera in charge of the Cong. of Divine Worship and Sacraments, in order to push through the reforms of the novus ordo liturgy, the opening up of the availability of the Tridentine liturgy, and to crack down on other Sacramental abuses. He was a trusted lieutenant of Pope Benedict’s, and now is out! The final nail in the coffin will be when Cardinal Burke is removed from the Apostolic Signatura.

    In closing, you can ask any meteorologist, and they will tell you, that lightning never strikes twice in the same place, except for, the dome of St. Peters, the day that Pope Benedict announced his resignation.

    If Pope Francis is the true sovereign Pontiff, then I am Mary Poppins!

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